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Brake Doctor - Frequently Asked Questions
Can
you use any fluid in the braking system ?
What types of brake fluid are available ?
What are the boiling points of brake fluids ?
What are the pros and cons of fluids ?
Do -02 lines give more pressure than -03 lines ?
What is the difference in performance between two full length
front lines and an over the mudguard front kit ?
What's better - three front lines using the oem splitter, two full
length fronts or an over the mudguard front kit ?
Brake
Doctor - Can
you use any fluid in the braking system ?
No
you cannot. The fluid in the braking system must be a designated
brake fluid which meets with certain specifications - DOT3, DOT4,
DOT5 or DOT 5.1 are the most common and your owners manual will
inform you of the fluid used as standard in the system. Don't use
aircraft hydraulic fluid (even if you can get hold of it) - it
isn't the brake fluid equivalent of Avgas and do not use the
mineral based fluid formulated for Citroens either.
Brake
Doctor - What
types of brake fluid are available ?
There
are basically two types of fluid : glycol-based and
silicone-based. You can use one or the other but NEVER mix the two
fluids. If you want to use a different fluid than the one in your
system ( glycol to silicone / silicone to glycol) then you will
need to flush the system before changing. Brake fluid is available
in different specifications to meet American Department Of
Transport (DOT) requirements. These DOT regulations are
occasionally updated but basically the higher the DOT rating the
higher quality, higher boiling point and more expensive the fluid.
DOT3 is the basic brake fluid. DOT 4 is a higher standard and both
of these fluids absorb water - they are hydroscopic but DOT4 fluid
contains additives which prevent water affecting the fluids
performance to the same degree. DOT 5 was originally formulated
for silicone based brake fluid although there is now a new DOT5.1
standard for glycol based fluid which has some of the desirable
properties of silicone fluids. Both types - glycol based and
silicone have different pros and cons though.
Brake
Doctor - What
are the boiling points of brake fluids ?
Brake
fluid works in a harsh environment being close to the heat
generated by the braking system the fluid heats up and under
extreme conditions such as racing this can lead to the fluid
boiling. This manufacturers found that by increasing the
boiling point the fluid performed better in use as when fluid
boils it leads to cavitation within the system and loss of braking
pressure. The boiling points are as follows :
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Minimum
Specification |
Good
Brand Min Spec |
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DRY |
WET |
DRY |
WET |
| DOT 3 |
205
Deg C |
140
Deg C |
220
Deg C |
150
Deg C |
| DOT 4 |
230
Deg C |
155
Deg C |
260
Deg C |
170
Deg C |
| DOT 5 |
260
Deg C |
180
Deg C |
270
Deg C |
190
Deg C |
| DOT 5.1 |
260
Deg C |
180
Deg C |
270
Deg C |
190
Deg C |
Wet
figures above show the drop in performance when the fluid has a
certain water content (less than 3%). For example when DOT
5.1 is contaminated with 3% water (which is considered a lot)
performs almost as well as basic DOT 3 in prime condition. The
most important thing to do is regularly change your fluid - we
suggest every three months but manufacturers suggest at least once
every twelve months. After six months use a typical DOT 3 fluid
may have had it's boiling point lowered from 205 degree's C to
about 165 degree's C
Brake
Doctor - What
are the pros and cons of fluids ?
DOT
3 and DOT 4 are hydroscopic - they allow water to be absorbed into
the fluid. This means that when heated up a fluid with water in it
will boil more quickly (water boils at a lower temperature than
brake fluid) which will lead to cavitation. DOT 5 does not absorb
water and will not strip paint work but as the water is not
absorbed it simply sinks to the bottom of the system which is
usually the caliper where operating temperatures are very high.
Water in the caliper is bad as it can cause corrosion within the
caliper although silicone fluids contain corrosion inhibitors and
as water has a lower boiling point than fluid (100 Degree's C)
there is more chance of boiling under relatively light braking.
Glycol based fluids can strip paintwork where as silicone based do
not. Silicone fluids also have a very long life which is why it is
used in military vehicles which may be stored for years without
use but be expected to be ready for action at a moments
notice.
Brake
Doctor - Do
-02 lines give more pressure than -03 lines ?
No
- the fitting of the
smaller dash 2 hoses sold by some manufacturers makes NO
difference to the pressure produced at the caliper as is commonly
believed. There are no substantial benefits associated with the
use of dash 2 hoses except that the manufacturer can charge you
more for them. The only way to increase pressure coming out of the
system is to increase the pressure going into the system. 500 psi
in equals 500 psi out - Fluid
cannot be compressed to a lesser volume, no matter how high the
pressure and Pressure is equal over all surfaces of the
containing system
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Brake
Doctor - What
is the difference in performance between two
full length front lines and an over the mudguard line kit ?
Nothing
except for the way the system looks. Both systems operate in
exactly the same way and give you the same performance. As the
system is a closed hydraulic system without air in it when the
fluid moves at one end the same movement takes place at the other
end. Because they have different lengths doesn't mean that the
system will work slower at one end than the other. Imagine pushing
two sticks away from you which are both 6" long - the ends
both move at the same time. Now imagine pushing two sticks - one
is 6" and the other is 36" - the ends still both move at
exactly the same time. So the over the mudguard gives the same
performance as the 2 full length - it's just which you prefer.
Brake
Doctor - What's
better - three front lines using the oem splitter, 2 full length
fronts or 2 fronts with one over the mudguard ?
As
we have said above the three systems give the same performance but
the three line front has an additional 2 possible leak points in
the system, is heavier and harder to bleed than 2 front lines. It
is easier to fit though as you follow the oem setup. Another thing
to remember is do you race or use the bike on track days ? If so
go for the 2 full length front as in the UK one of the ACU rules
state that you are not allowed an over the mudguard system unless
it is an original system.
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